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Post by Saint_Augustus on Mar 24, 2007 20:22:11 GMT -5
My first action in this section will be to remove Fork from Saint clan. Effective immediately he will no longer bear the Saint tag. He has been a divisive influence in adn outside clan and has not attempted to improve in 24 hours. I requested he resign his forum duties in Hun clan and he refused. rather than think of alternatives or something else, he used as excusess for keeping forum up trivial and unecessary stuff abut his little sister's flash games. That is sad and lame. Fork is removed, nothing more to be said on this.
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Post by Saint_Fork_Silver on Mar 24, 2007 21:37:27 GMT -5
I was going to leave, since my being here has brought the wrath of arthur and you guys don't deserve his hatred. Cya guys!
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Post by Saint_Crusader on Mar 24, 2007 21:49:07 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go, but we don't want to stir conflicts with Kings. Good luck and I hope you do well. You may have differences with Augustus and Arthur, but I hope someday you come to mend that.
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Post by Saint_Trample on Mar 25, 2007 12:07:11 GMT -5
well im just rin to keep up...a guy is gone for a few days and all this crazy shiz is going on...
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Mar 25, 2007 12:45:55 GMT -5
Yes Trample it is quite a mess isnt it? I think what is going on is a cycle that happens every so often:
A clan gets members who instead of trying to have fun and play a game, they bring up all these personal vendettas into them with their admission into clan. Instead of dropping this stuff like they are supposed to, they bring all their dirty laundry with them, and instead of changing to fit clan, they want people to change for them. We are a clan of peace and thats it.
As for Fork, he is just as belligerent as ever, even when he is booted from clan. Lol, I think its funny he says he is leaving because we stirred Arthur's 'wrath'? Wow. where did that come from? Its like he randomly picks a different excuse so as to either cause dissention within us, and have some support and a shoulder to cry on as he takes his vendettas out against people. Yes Fork, you have vendettas, and you dont seem to want to drop them.
I booted you because you would not dismantle Hun forum. Period. You were given that ultimatum and you chose not to sign it. Fine. You are removed from clan. Now tell me, WHAT THE HELL does that have to do with Arthur, and his so-called wrath?! DISMANTLE the d**n forum; thats all you had to do. And you bring up Arthur again. You are either a very pathetic person who just likes to stir conflicts, or you did not read the posts correctly. And you know why this makes me so pissed? Because I would like nothing more than to ban you from this forum becuase almost everything you have posted in the last 4 days or so, whether it be defending Alex, tacitly recruting him on OUR forum for your new clan, changing your mind and demanding that we give you privileges in our clan as if we are the GP shelter for disavowed and disgruntled players, to blaming your boot because we want good realtions with Arthur--not to mention whatever you may have said about me that I dont bother to read because I don't visit your forum--all of this is fuel to ban you from forum because you cause trouble. Your wrose that some of those huns in your own way. At least they dont visit my forum spreading garbage like that. It took several bans on Dennis just to gt him out of GP client becuase he was so insulting. And I forsee that happening with you too if you keep it up.
You might be able to sway some people Fork, but I am not fooled by anything you say or do. I know how Arthur is. I use to be a King, I got booted becuase I did not conform to whatever rules he has. BIG DEAL! It is his forum, he likes it his way, hell yeah its a dictatorship, Excalibur is all his maps, yes he has a huge ego because of it; he feels he is the center of the MINI CB world because of it. So? Who cares, if it is true, that he steals forum ideas? Who cares if he does not allow members to speak their minds? Thats the way he likes it. You forget (lol) you took the latest map that Arthur made, and modified it! You made some changes you thought were appropiate because you did not like it...And now you have the nerve to talk about his 'wrath', and his ways, as if you are a 'SAINT'? Please Fork have some dignity about yourself and stop being such a hypocrite.
You will continue to play this card until a bunch of Saints decide to leave clan. You, and whoever else has vendettas will keep trumping my clan, against King clan becuase there are no huns left to do it. You had a nice forum at huns to do that, you still do. But you would like to use the firepower here At Saints in GP client to back some of your issues. That is not going to happen. We are not scared of Arthur. We don't and will not let him manipulate anything we do here; I have said that to his face. But I RESPECT the way he runs clan; I had my disagreements with him and I left. Period. No need for me to continue to harp on them I have my own clan with people who share my views. If you don't share them, then leave.
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Post by Saint_Fork_Silver on Mar 25, 2007 13:51:39 GMT -5
I said I was going to leave anyways, and that arthur's wrath was going to be my reason for leaving. My reason for being booted was clearly the Hun's forum. The fact that you don't let arthur control your decisions is great, but I didn't want the other 20 members being attacked just because I was in the saints. For arthur to try to declare a diplomacy change just because I show up is ridiculous, and I didn't want that for you guys. I still like the saints; the saint style of recruiting, the spread out leadership, and a leader who isn't a dictator, but will speak his mind freely. I share your views about the clan, that is why I joined. If I had my own clan, I would run it the same way, and infact attempted to with the Huns, often asking most of the clan about recruitments and things of that sort.
I leave in peace, not upset nor disappointed. I will watch the Saints rise from the outside rather from within. I have nothing against any saints as I believe Augustus made the right decision; I couldn't put full clan loyalty if I keep the Hun forum and deserved such a boot. I only say that I wish that the Saints were made before the Huns and this could have turned out differently, as I would have been a big part of this clan joining it instead of the Huns, but I have been tainted to much to be here now and had too much baggage to remain in this clan. I believe augustus gave me a fair shot, and I thank him for it. Goodbye Saints, not that I will be going anywhere, I will still be playing on GamePark.
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Mar 25, 2007 14:56:14 GMT -5
Fork, what does it matter if Arthur makes a diplomacy change because we invite you to our clan? What does it matter? Arthur does not influence anything we do here. You want to know something? When I first recruited Pure, Arthur was all upset and in arms about it. He said Pure use to be a King, he caused trouble over there, and he is not a good fit for clan, we should get rid of him. Where is Pure now? Pure is a GOLD saint because I dont care what Arthur thinks or says. Lobbying has been made to remove Pure even by insiders but Pure is still here.
When we started recruting Arthur said we have too many members, we need to tone it down, and not recruit so many. Do you want to know what I did? I gave recruting privileges to everyone in the clan. I told them they can reruit anyone they want as long as they are not know cheaters/hackers, and make them Bronze. We added 8 members in a 2 week period after Arthur said that.
Now your excuse for leaving clan, let me update this now, is because you dont want us to feel Arthur's 'wrath' if you remain? I dont care what Arthur thinks about you. You were made a Saint, and you were giving a set of conditions to go by. You chose not to follow that. If Arthur decides to declare war against us because of you, fine. Dont make it look like a burden was on your shoulders because of Arthur.
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Post by kingsaladin on Mar 25, 2007 20:01:51 GMT -5
STOP LETTING ARTHUR GET TO YOU GUYS AND IGNORE THE d**n GUY!!!!!!!! God wtf I cannot leave without chaos exploding in the whole aoe community Aug your a better leader than Arty but you may have to dark of sunglasses on at the moment.
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Mar 25, 2007 20:32:26 GMT -5
Sal this is what I am trying to explain to them. Werepyre left because he wanted to fire at Art. Apparently Fork took up some kind of isue with Art about Elissa and some password. Everyone keeps pm'ing saying Art is making us enemies. Sal there are a bunch of young members here that are intimidated by Art.
I am trying to explain to them that it is trivila and we dont care what Art does. Ive been trying to do that for the last few days. But people are leaving, taking theri Saint tags off, because they think Art is coming to get them (lol).
Fork's reason for leaving? The 'wrath' of Art? Art's 'hatred'?? They are giving him way too much credit and keep getting caught in dumb stuff that he does and try to use it as fuel to pick up a fight. You know me I think Art is the funniest guy in the world. But everyone is trying to make him the center of attention right now.
Fork went to King clan and put an entire post about Art taking Elissa's pass to go to hun's forum. Who cares? Werepyre went there and started talking about some dumb stuff too. Its getting ridiculous.
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Post by Victorious on Mar 25, 2007 22:30:02 GMT -5
Wow. There's a great deal that happened when I was occupied this weekend, I couldn't post until now So. Fork got booted..Well, I do believe that was a rather extreme option, and I personally believe he should simply have just resigned the post of forum admin and give up all rights to the forum, instead becoming a regular member o.0 Then again, I believe he said that he was definitely going to keep the forum, and if the leader's ultimatum isn't met...that is to be expected. I do have something to say about Art tho...I've always tried to keep a fairly diplomatic stance with him, and implored most saints to do the same. But I do believe that if we are a clan, we should prioritize our clan members before we support another clan's leader. If a saint is speaking out against art, then by all means, we should work to back up our fellow saint as opposed to supporting Art. +) Unless its totally outrageous, which happens...but not likely ~Victor +)
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Post by Saint_Fork_Silver on Mar 25, 2007 22:36:14 GMT -5
I have no problem with art's hatred upon myself and enjoyed sharing it with my Hun clanmates, I just don't want to have to share it with the saints, which may be selfish of me, but who knows.
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Mar 25, 2007 22:39:36 GMT -5
You are absolutely right Victor. That is why I said for a clan member to leave because of art's so-called 'wrath' is not a good excuse. If Art attacks anyone one of you, i owuld be the first to put him in his place. I am not scared of Art or any of his members. I know he fancies himself the center of the MINI CB world and wants everyone to bow down to him. And I will give him credit--he has done alot to perpetuate and make the franchise a fan favorite. But I will not be manipulated by him or let him influence decisions we make about members. the intial decison made against Fork had absolutely nothing to do with arthur as I have posted several times.
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Post by Saint_Jeremiah on Mar 26, 2007 14:41:44 GMT -5
Okay... I think that Fork should get another chance... If he hands down power over the hun forum... Fork, Can't you ask crusader to add those flashy games of your sisters on this website? That can solve the sister flash game problem. Just hand over the power to the forum to attilla or just leave it as it is and don't do anything to it. just abandon it and never go back. Dismantling it would be best though. Anyways Fork, I really want you to be in this clan. Me and you have a lot in common and I see you as a good friend. Tis my say.
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Post by Saint_Crusader on Mar 26, 2007 15:11:58 GMT -5
Jerimiah, this problem has already been solved. Fork will still be able to be a Saint.
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Post by kingsaladin on Mar 26, 2007 15:57:37 GMT -5
But he still gave a great idea about the flash games lol.
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