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Post by Saint_Augustus on Aug 7, 2007 16:57:19 GMT -5
Fork has decided to quit Saints as he put it because he cant be in a clan with me. Myslef and a few others were playing ffa style a version of his new map and someone named DodgeViperGTS imped fork on purpose by feeding him Celts. I cannot stand for cheaters or anything underhanded in any game.
As he and fork both thought this was funny i did not find it funny at all. I asked him to delete his base and resign from game. Fork got 'mad' at the way i talked to him, although he condoned and did nothing about behavior ten times worse than anything in Saints when he was a hun. And said he was 'quitting saints". Thats fine. Like I said, we will have alot of turnover and thats just the way it is.
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Post by Fork on Aug 8, 2007 2:42:43 GMT -5
Well, I see why aug banned me from the forum. He puts this ridiculous post not showing the whole story.
First of all, I wasn't going to leave the saints, I was simply gonna post on the forum that I am gonna hide my tag until I feel that Aug will be a good leader.
I had way more deaths than kills, as I was feeding badly to celts(DodgeViper) as well as aug's spans. I never even managed to leave my quarter of the map as I would get killed before that.
Aug knows as well as I do, that I couldn't care less about winning. Winning is never about me, it is about my teammates, and if I don't have teammates, I have nothing to play for. For him to suspect me cheating or condoning such cheating is ridiculous.
Anyways when I was about 325 kills, celts sent in 20 elite woads in my base and burned my tower(celts already had villie, and spans were already imp). I of course converted as anyone would. Aug a few mins later told Dodge, who did no trash talking nor spamming to "shut the f**k up."
Of course I told Aug "you shut up aug, that wasn't nice at all."
He then talked about Dodge providing me with a convert intentionally, and I said that since me imping is such a big deal to him, I will leave the game. Then I deleted my base and all my units. As I was deleting my units I asked him if he was satisfied. He still was furious and called Dodge a cheater. Dodge then said he was going to delete his base and started deleting his base as well. Aug still insisted Dodge was a cheater, and that is when I said that I am leaving saints since I feel a clan leader who says things like "shut the f**k up" when the other player hasn't said a single mean thing is definitely not a clanleader for me.
You can say whatever you want about the Hun days, but the Huns were the Huns, they weren't "Saints" as I thought we were. Back then I believed in honor only in the game, not in words. King_William417 was the one who taught me words also matter, and since then I have tried my best to be honorable both in language as well as the actual play.
Also I don't remember aug asking anyone to delete any bases. I never laughed, and Aug never mentioned the convert as being a big issue until after the "shut the f**k up" phrase.
For Aug to accuse Dodge of cheating and of me as condoning cheating really upset me, and how can I follow someone like that?
It is ridiculous. Anyone that has played several games with me knows I try to be as fair as possible. I made a map to increase fairness, I rarely rate the map as I feel it would be unfair to rate it. I never boot at the brown screen, and rarely in the lobby. I often leave games if someone wants in and needs room, and even in the brown lobby, I leave the game if the host is wanting to boot someone to make even teams.
I like all the saints, even aug. But aug isn't fit to be a leader if he isn't going to learn to be more considerate to others. I mean really, did he think Dodge or myself were cheating? It is an unrated game, and we are trying to play for fun, and Aug ruined it.
Well that is all I have to say. For Aug to say I sit idly by as others cheat or do wrongdoings is total bull, and he knows it, cuz if I did do that, I would have let him say "shut the f**k up" and I wouldn't have said anything about it.
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Post by Saint_Crusader on Aug 8, 2007 13:20:38 GMT -5
This is Sadly Ironic. I actualy did get on igz today and I did see "that" game going on today. All the Saints were playing that map and I decided to wait, but it seemed I had to leave before the end of it. I am now sorry I didnt stick.
That bugs me, but I am happy that we can bring this problem into the open. We are Fallen Saints. Infact, I will be honest, I think we have dwindled away from what first made this clan. In my real life, I am in heaps of sh#t. I am going through so much stress with my ex-fiance. It has gotten me down and I haven't looked at my old game Age of Conquerors in a long time. I come back to this forum and I see our clan in even more trouble.
The King Leader is most likely smiling right now. And he has all the right to do so. If I was in his shoes, I would be more then happy. For if we fall, we will be just anouther footnote in a mass of chapters. Along time ago, I remember Fork saying something like that of the such. "Sticking together," has been swung about and I think my freind Aug has made a mistake.
I am only stating as I see it. I know in the past, I have said exscuses such as "We are only human," but after so much consideration on my part. I realized that my exscuse is such bull shiz that I need to re-think my mind. We are human and we have to act accordingly and we have the control to do so.
For those who really really know me, you will realize that my ambition is so soo soo deep. Ofcourse i have no interest in being a leader, but my ambitions for this clan swell so high, that it troubles me to see fork not in my picture. I will always stick with aug and this clan to the end, but that doesnt mean that I wont go back swinging. Many people have mocked our leader aug. ICE and King alike, and I usualy will end up very defensive and I will say some very mean things. I was the second Saint and I have been in this clan sinse day One. This is like my nine month Saint annaversary with Augustus. lol.
We can look at every leader, and we will see flaws. Ofcourse this lines up with my old bull shiz exscuse, but I know that each human is imperfected by their own wrongs. Augustus has always been head strong and overly zealous in some of his words, and fork, you know this.
Our Clan has gone through some harsh times and our former Saint glory is being dragged in the dust. I come to this humble clan with a million appologees. I have been going to church "ALOT" more recently. And forgiveness is one of the biggest mercies that Man can permit to others. However, Forgiveness can't be used unless someone lives up and apologizes. I honestly don't see anything wrong that fork has done. People f**k up, we're humans and "WE" do have the ability to say sorry. Aug, I think you approached this wrongly. You have so many enemies that I don't think you realize that Fork is "OUR" allie. Our freind. He has defended you when so many has Degraded you. He has even made us Saints a map to glorify our image. He has invested his time into a clan that has gone down hill. I do not measure our clan in players or recruitment, but reputation. Our clan rep has gone awry and we need to stand back up and show the community that we are not of old.
Our Foundation has been shattered and unless we make some drastic changes, our clan will shatter along with it. I have been an overly dramatic idiot and I'm going to go back to see ICE_Ector and tell him that "I'm Sorry."
Even if Fork is not in this clan, lets not make him an enemy. If he rejoins, all the better, but you make it difficult for him to like us, when you judge him without trying on his own shoes. Live and learn, then move on. If you can't put this pass you, then you will realize that you will be following the same path that some has gone down and you will not be able to redirect yourself. Fork is a Saint at Heart. A King without a Crown and a Hun with Pride. lol, I am going to be at igz, and I hope to see some of my freinds.
~Till then, I hope for peace~
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Post by saintaug on Aug 8, 2007 14:47:32 GMT -5
For some reason I am having trouble logging in at this computer. Fork you are beginning to pick and choose what you want to answer to in long posts just like Arthur.
The game is recorded so if anyone wants to review the facts they can. As host I record 'all' my games, rated or not. I was Spain in a ffa and yellow was imp. so I continued to attack him and teal as I had been doing all game. Yellow (DodgeViperGTS said "I have had enough of this". He sent 20 or so celts to Fork's base. STOOD IN FRONT OF HIS MONK, and gave him Imperial. Now Fork, you can disect this anyway you want, but if he was just going over there, as you say, to raze a tower, he would have done that a long time ago. He was giving u imperial, case closed, that is not an arguable point. I got upset and I said 'that is bs'. He responded to me 'you are bs'. He continued for the next several mins with '11' repeatedly and taunts. Finally I told him to shut the f*** up. Now Fork, here is where you are WRONG.
You see, when someone is upset about something, whether percieved, made up, or factual, they say or do things that are not nice. I saw it sufficient enough to say in my original post that I got angry, talked in a way that he did not like, and that was the reason for Fork leaving clan. But you had to bring up the EXACT words that I said. I know what I said and its enough for me tosay that it was mean, but when you use the exact words and frame it by saying 'Aug's not telling the whole story' your painting a picture that is unecessary. But thats fine. I told you would find a way to post your side of the story and u did.
You said 'That;s it, I'm leaving Saints. I can't be in a clan with Aug'. Thats what you said, that's it. YOU threw it away, not me. So dont message me about '6 long months as a saint, and I cant even post. That was your decision, not mine.
I'll telll you why people (kids) have problems with me. I am 27 years old, and I know right from wrong, alot more than most people on the zone. I will not tolerate any cheating or foolishness(to a certain extent) in games, rated or not. Yeah its fun, but who wants to be a cheater? And furthermore, I did not ask you to delete your hero, or your base. I asked you if there was a BOOTER on this map, because i was going to boot Dodge. Then I asked him to delete his 'whole d*** base'. Its recorded and there for all to see.
And neither will I run behind or cry for anyone who says they are going to leave, or take the Saint tag off. If that was your intention, and I saw you with the tag off, I would have still booted you from Saints. No one here is above those rules regardless of how long they have been here.
Fork you are only wise in your own eyes, dont lecture me on how I runb a game when I am host, how I deal with huns, cheaters, bad-mouthers, or hypocrites. I will deal with rny enemies, and I will play with my friends, that is the way it is.
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Post by Saint_Bobby_1031 on Aug 8, 2007 19:29:31 GMT -5
Well from what I seen and what is being said and done here I'd say you both made some mistakes. I say we should leave this one behind us and you both should appoligize to each other. On fork's side I'd say he should be allowed back in the clan but of course to follow rules and next time he does something serious he gets the boot. But what would you say?
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Aug 8, 2007 20:11:16 GMT -5
I did not boot Fork from clan. He quit the clan. He resigned from Saints he did not get booted. I dont know what other way to say it.
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Post by Saint_Fork_Silver on Aug 14, 2007 16:20:53 GMT -5
Well here is what happened. I hastily said I was leaving the clan(with no intent to leave, I was just trying to show aug exactly how disappointed I was in his actions). Of course Aug hurriedly banned me from forum and removed me from the clan before I could post my thoughts on the situation.
The fact that after I made that statement Aug said something to the effect of "who didn't see this one coming," as if I had been looking for an excuse to leave Saints and go to another clan.
Anyways we both screwed up. Aug got overly upset about the game, I got overly upset about him getting upset, I used the phrase "I am leaving the Saints" as a way to show anger(very poor way of doing that I now see) and Aug instead of discussing me leaving or allowing me to post a resignation, banned me from the forum immediately.
Well anyways the most obvious mistake was on your part on playing an FFA and expecting fairness. I rarely win FFA cuz I try to play fairly even though I expect everyone else to play dirty. Of course in reality there is nothing fair to a free for all. It is doing whatever you can to win, including intentionally feeding, giving converts, making and breaking deals and all kinds of dirty tricks I refuse to do. So hopefully you can now learn that ffa is never "fair."
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Post by Saint_Augustus on Aug 14, 2007 17:22:46 GMT -5
There is not one game that is "fair" there is an davantage secret placed in every game that can be exploited (like brits standing on an elevation getting a bonus on attack in small pockets. What I look for is whatever the situation, for the game to be played with honor. And that, can be done by anyone.
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Post by wowposter on Sept 4, 2008 10:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by wowposter on Nov 13, 2008 8:12:51 GMT -5
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